Zombie Apocolypse

CollaWars wrote:

Meatlocker wrote:

Scott wrote:

MrEvilDude wrote:

i believe he refers to CEOs of those companies.

You would think laborers too... as the jobs kinda ride on environmental affairs... which was what I was getting at. And Democrats are classically harder on permitting and environmental policies than Republicans.

Many of the laborers I know are more conservative due to a strange hate for unions (seeing as Texas is a right to work state we actually have no unions).

There is nothing strange about their hate for unions.

This... union workers have a tendency to get little done and waste time (and workers tend to be lazier and overpaid to do what they do). If you're in the drilling industry then you would understand WHY that's a bad thing.

Scott wrote:

CollaWars wrote:

Meatlocker wrote:

Many of the laborers I know are more conservative due to a strange hate for unions (seeing as Texas is a right to work state we actually have no unions).

There is nothing strange about their hate for unions.

This... union workers have a tendency to get little done and waste time (and workers tend to be lazier and overpaid to do what they do). If you're in the drilling industry then you would understand WHY that's a bad thing.

My dad works for a union...if he was lazy and overpaid he'd be rested and make enough money to take us on a nice vacation this year instead of the reality he lives with.

If you think unions are bad then go ahead and try to get rid of them. Let's see how teachers, cops and firemen like that. Oh but maybe we should exempt the cops and firemen because THOSE are GOOD unions right?

PJsnaks wrote:

Scott wrote:

CollaWars wrote:

Meatlocker wrote:

Many of the laborers I know are more conservative due to a strange hate for unions (seeing as Texas is a right to work state we actually have no unions).

There is nothing strange about their hate for unions.

This... union workers have a tendency to get little done and waste time (and workers tend to be lazier and overpaid to do what they do). If you're in the drilling industry then you would understand WHY that's a bad thing.

My dad works for a union...if he was lazy and overpaid he'd be rested and make enough money to take us on a nice vacation this year instead of the reality he lives with.

If you think unions are bad then go ahead and try to get rid of them. Let's see how teachers, cops and firemen like that. Oh but maybe we should exempt the cops and firemen because THOSE are GOOD unions right?

I've been in a union... I've seen first hand what they do. And not just the ones I worked for. Maybe I should amend my statement to labor intensive fields tho (IE Construction). And I said HAVE A TENDENCY TO...

Scott wrote:

PJsnaks wrote:

Scott wrote:

This... union workers have a tendency to get little done and waste time (and workers tend to be lazier and overpaid to do what they do). If you're in the drilling industry then you would understand WHY that's a bad thing.

My dad works for a union...if he was lazy and overpaid he'd be rested and make enough money to take us on a nice vacation this year instead of the reality he lives with.

If you think unions are bad then go ahead and try to get rid of them. Let's see how teachers, cops and firemen like that. Oh but maybe we should exempt the cops and firemen because THOSE are GOOD unions right?

I've been in a union... I've seen first hand what they do. And not just the ones I worked for. Maybe I should amend my statement to labor intensive fields tho (IE Construction). And I said HAVE A TENDENCY TO...

And I've seen unions first hand as well. And "HAVE A TENDENCY TOO" means that most do, in your opinion. If you want to amend that to labor intensive fields I can't throw my $.02 in since I don't know anything about that. But from my experience, most unions (teachers, teamsters [which my dad is apart of], policemen, firemen) have some use. Laziness is not union dependent. Laziness is person dependent. Yes unions give people the sense that they can slack off because they're protected but without unions we wouldn't have the 8 hour work day or minimum wage. Unions have a purpose, some are corrupt, some aren't. Just like some fields without unions treat their workers abhorrently and some treat them fantastically. Blanket terms are for the ignorant. Unions serve a purpose, sometimes their power gets abused. You just have to keep that power in check just like you should keep employer's power in check.

PJsnaks wrote:

Scott wrote:

PJsnaks wrote:

Scott wrote:

This... union workers have a tendency to get little done and waste time (and workers tend to be lazier and overpaid to do what they do). If you're in the drilling industry then you would understand WHY that's a bad thing.

My dad works for a union...if he was lazy and overpaid he'd be rested and make enough money to take us on a nice vacation this year instead of the reality he lives with.

If you think unions are bad then go ahead and try to get rid of them. Let's see how teachers, cops and firemen like that. Oh but maybe we should exempt the cops and firemen because THOSE are GOOD unions right?

I've been in a union... I've seen first hand what they do. And not just the ones I worked for. Maybe I should amend my statement to labor intensive fields tho (IE Construction). And I said HAVE A TENDENCY TO...

And I've seen unions first hand as well. And "HAVE A TENDENCY TOO" means that most do, in your opinion. If you want to amend that to labor intensive fields I can't throw my $.02 in since I don't know anything about that. But from my experience, most unions (teachers, teamsters [which my dad is apart of], policemen, firemen) have some use. Laziness is not union dependent. Laziness is person dependent. Yes unions give people the sense that they can slack off because they're protected but without unions we wouldn't have the 8 hour work day or minimum wage. Unions have a purpose, some are corrupt, some aren't. Just like some fields without unions treat their workers abhorrently and some treat them fantastically. Blanket terms are for the ignorant. Unions serve a purpose, sometimes their power gets abused. You just have to keep that power in check just like you should keep employer's power in check.

Well my mother is a teacher what you say has some truth. I always get into labor unions tho so that's the first thing my mind goes to. And people aren't just lazy in unions (remember I'm talking about the one that I'm familiar with). If you are given a task... you don't go and deviate to help anyone. If your job is to sweep... you sweep... don't hand that guy a tool. If your job is running the skid loader... you don't get out to help pry the load off. Seriously... there are repercussions for doing these things. In these cases it's not about laziness... it's about ineffectiveness. People take breaks every 2 hours (every half hour for a smoke break)... people wonder why road construction takes so long. Or why that building in DT takes forever to go up. When 3 oclock hits you had better have your shit wrapped up because there is no overtime. I had a couple buddies do sign holding for $30/hr full time... nice... for them... but really? To hold a sign? I had another buddy get paid around $40/hr to fucking paint!

Scott wrote:

PJsnaks wrote:

Scott wrote:

I've been in a union... I've seen first hand what they do. And not just the ones I worked for. Maybe I should amend my statement to labor intensive fields tho (IE Construction). And I said HAVE A TENDENCY TO...

And I've seen unions first hand as well. And "HAVE A TENDENCY TOO" means that most do, in your opinion. If you want to amend that to labor intensive fields I can't throw my $.02 in since I don't know anything about that. But from my experience, most unions (teachers, teamsters [which my dad is apart of], policemen, firemen) have some use. Laziness is not union dependent. Laziness is person dependent. Yes unions give people the sense that they can slack off because they're protected but without unions we wouldn't have the 8 hour work day or minimum wage. Unions have a purpose, some are corrupt, some aren't. Just like some fields without unions treat their workers abhorrently and some treat them fantastically. Blanket terms are for the ignorant. Unions serve a purpose, sometimes their power gets abused. You just have to keep that power in check just like you should keep employer's power in check.

Well my mother is a teacher what you say has some truth. I always get into labor unions tho so that's the first thing my mind goes to. And people aren't just lazy in unions (remember I'm talking about the one that I'm familiar with). If you are given a task... you don't go and deviate to help anyone. If your job is to sweep... you sweep... don't hand that guy a tool. If your job is running the skid loader... you don't get out to help pry the load off. Seriously... there are repercussions for doing these things. In these cases it's not about laziness... it's about ineffectiveness. People take breaks every 2 hours (every half hour for a smoke break)... people wonder why road construction takes so long. Or why that building in DT takes forever to go up. When 3 oclock hits you had better have your shit wrapped up because there is no overtime. I had a couple buddies do sign holding for $30/hr full time... nice... for them... but really? To hold a sign? I had another buddy get paid around $40/hr to fucking paint!

Yeah I think we both have different experiences and interactions with different unions. I think teachers and whatnot, not construction. I agree with everything you said, I think we're just talking about different unions lol

And $40 to paint? did he get dental with that? :P

PJsnaks wrote:

Scott wrote:

PJsnaks wrote:

Scott wrote:

I've been in a union... I've seen first hand what they do. And not just the ones I worked for. Maybe I should amend my statement to labor intensive fields tho (IE Construction). And I said HAVE A TENDENCY TO...

And I've seen unions first hand as well. And "HAVE A TENDENCY TOO" means that most do, in your opinion. If you want to amend that to labor intensive fields I can't throw my $.02 in since I don't know anything about that. But from my experience, most unions (teachers, teamsters [which my dad is apart of], policemen, firemen) have some use. Laziness is not union dependent. Laziness is person dependent. Yes unions give people the sense that they can slack off because they're protected but without unions we wouldn't have the 8 hour work day or minimum wage. Unions have a purpose, some are corrupt, some aren't. Just like some fields without unions treat their workers abhorrently and some treat them fantastically. Blanket terms are for the ignorant. Unions serve a purpose, sometimes their power gets abused. You just have to keep that power in check just like you should keep employer's power in check.

Well my mother is a teacher what you say has some truth. I always get into labor unions tho so that's the first thing my mind goes to. And people aren't just lazy in unions (remember I'm talking about the one that I'm familiar with). If you are given a task... you don't go and deviate to help anyone. If your job is to sweep... you sweep... don't hand that guy a tool. If your job is running the skid loader... you don't get out to help pry the load off. Seriously... there are repercussions for doing these things. In these cases it's not about laziness... it's about ineffectiveness. People take breaks every 2 hours (every half hour for a smoke break)... people wonder why road construction takes so long. Or why that building in DT takes forever to go up. When 3 oclock hits you had better have your shit wrapped up because there is no overtime. I had a couple buddies do sign holding for $30/hr full time... nice... for them... but really? To hold a sign? I had another buddy get paid around $40/hr to fucking paint!

Yeah I think we both have different experiences and interactions with different unions. I think teachers and whatnot, not construction. I agree with everything you said, I think we're just talking about different unions lol

And $40 to paint? did he get dental with that? :P

I have no clue tbh... he's with a union... or was... so probable. Maybe we should limit to WHAT fields unions may be applied to. Unfortunately that would never work in this country. D:

OKAY, time to be the bad guy here.

TECHNICAL FOULS!

Scott
PJ

THAT'S A YELLOW, DON'T MAKE IT A RED!

The reason that the middle class is vanishing: Lack of unions.

Astraeos wrote:

The reason that the middle class is vanishing: Lack of unions.

lolno

MrEvilDude wrote:

OKAY, time to be the bad guy here.

TECHNICAL FOULS!

Scott
PJ

THAT'S A YELLOW, DON'T MAKE IT A RED!

WHAT!? *kicks dirt on the umpire*

Yes that's two different sports. Sue me.

Scott wrote:

Astraeos wrote:

The reason that the middle class is vanishing: Lack of unions.

lolno

Well, yes and no. It's grossly incorrect to say lack of unions is the reason for a shrinking middle class. With my (limited) understanding it's still highly incorrect to say it's a big reason even. But I think you can make the argument that it is adding to the shrinking middle class in a very small way. Not saying I'd make that argument though.

Scott's the kind of person who makes sure nothing that benefits anyone be allowed because of the minority who would abuse it. Free healthcare? Jesus no. Even if we had all the money in the world and could implement it, he'd allow it but VERY begrudgingly so. In secret, he'd rather people still had to pay for it. He sees most of the world as leeches and wants them to suffer, hopefully all die. It drives his political views.

Ulyaoth wrote:

Scott's the kind of person who makes sure nothing that benefits anyone be allowed because of the minority who would abuse it. Free healthcare? Jesus no. Even if we had all the money in the world and could implement it, he'd allow it but VERY begrudgingly so. In secret, he'd rather people still had to pay for it. He sees most of the world as leeches and wants them to suffer, hopefully all die. It drives his political views.

I can't tell if you're just an idiot or trying to get a response out of me... but as you've failed to show signs of intelligence I'll go with the earlier.

It's all true.

Ulyaoth wrote:

It's all true.

Did someone's mom forget to tuck him in last night...

You won't even deny it. Your subconscious won't let you.

Ok... here's the truth...

*deep inhale*

You are incapable of handling the truth... so you make up lies... surrounding yourself with false assumptions.

*gasp*

I know it hurts Uly... but you'll overcome it someday... someday... and we're always here for you.

I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. Scott thinks 99 in 100 people in a union are wicked people who abuse every privilege they possibly can for the sake of doing it. (He actually thinks it's 100 in 100)

Ulyaoth wrote:

I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. Scott thinks 99 in 100 people in a union are wicked people who abuse every privilege they possibly can for the sake of doing it. (He actually thinks it's 100 in 100)

He's married...

Branch wrote:

Ulyaoth wrote:

I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. Scott thinks 99 in 100 people in a union are wicked people who abuse every privilege they possibly can for the sake of doing it. (He actually thinks it's 100 in 100)

He's married...

CollaWars wrote:

Branch wrote:

Ulyaoth wrote:

I just calls 'em like I sees 'em. Scott thinks 99 in 100 people in a union are wicked people who abuse every privilege they possibly can for the sake of doing it. (He actually thinks it's 100 in 100)

He's married...

Somehow I feel I deserve that..

Meatlocker wrote:

Scott is secretly governor Scott Walker.

Scott is really Mrs. Scott.

/inception