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Grimeth wrote:

Branch wrote:

Catholics pray to false idols (inb4 Boba). It was founded by Saint Peter and since then has been completely corrupt. I'll give you that the Bible isnt the same as it was originally, but MOST of it is true to word. The Ten Commandments, Christ, etc.

Well that group was saying God was. Which he doesnt have a gender.

About Jesus though, no we dont know what gender he is. It's another thing that we cant ever be sure about because of the corruption of man.


Fight was a poor choice of words.

*ahem* I was gonna stay out of this... buuuuut... I was raised Catholic so perhaps I can correct you on a few things Mr. Man...

Catholics don't pray to false idols (I assume you mean "praying" to the saints here) I can understand the confusion here, but when Catholics are "praying" to saints we're really more of just saying "Hey, my homie I hear you and big J are pretty tight. Wana pray for me, and shit?" It was indeed founded by saint Peter, and while it has undoubtedly been corrupted to some degree, I would not say it's completely corrupt (certainly no more than other sects of Christianity). And we're pretty damn sure Jesus was a dude... (You might have just meant God in general.) Just saying. Oh yeah... God doesn't have a gender (from what I hear anyways) cause he's mothafucking, God. He aint no human like us. SHIIIIT, that nugget appeared as a burning bush they say! Now... let's stop this arguing and shit.

My point was, why do we need a middle man to get our prayers to God?

Ban, reading a Wikipedia article and a few YouTube comments on a video titled "Jesus" does not give you an in depth look at the Christian religion. The same applies for Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

Here's an article on suicide and the Bible: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-dml/dml-y038.html

God's Gender:

http://www.extremelysmart.com/insight/God/GodsGender.php

And Branch, Catholics do not worship idols. -_- That sounds like something straight out of a Christian parody forum. Please. Use some common sense here. The Saints were just held to a higher value than we Prodistants hold them. Same goes for Mary (only even more).

Grimeth wrote:

Branch wrote:

Catholics pray to false idols (inb4 Boba). It was founded by Saint Peter and since then has been completely corrupt. I'll give you that the Bible isnt the same as it was originally, but MOST of it is true to word. The Ten Commandments, Christ, etc.

Well that group was saying God was. Which he doesnt have a gender.

About Jesus though, no we dont know what gender he is. It's another thing that we cant ever be sure about because of the corruption of man.


Fight was a poor choice of words.

*ahem* I was gonna stay out of this... buuuuut... I was raised Catholic so perhaps I can correct you on a few things Mr. Man...

Catholics don't pray to false idols (I assume you mean "praying" to the saints here) I can understand the confusion here, but when Catholics are "praying" to saints we're really more of just saying "Hey, my homie I hear you and big J are pretty tight. Wana pray for me, and shit?" It was indeed founded by saint Peter, and while it has undoubtedly been corrupted to some degree, I would not say it's completely corrupt (certainly no more than other sects of Christianity). And we're pretty damn sure Jesus was a dude... (You might have just meant God in general.) Just saying. Oh yeah... God doesn't have a gender (from what I hear anyways) cause he's mothafucking, God. He aint no human like us. SHIIIIT, that nugget appeared as a burning bush they say! Now... let's stop this arguing and shit.

Burning bush you say... Well... I can clearly see where that 'God is a chick' sect got it's reasoning from...
/ifyouknowwhatImean


Also Jet... I was gonna write something long and slanderous, but I shall sum it up so you can understand:

Fuck off.

Ban-Anad wrote:

Grimeth wrote:

Branch wrote:

Catholics pray to false idols (inb4 Boba). It was founded by Saint Peter and since then has been completely corrupt. I'll give you that the Bible isnt the same as it was originally, but MOST of it is true to word. The Ten Commandments, Christ, etc.

Well that group was saying God was. Which he doesnt have a gender.

About Jesus though, no we dont know what gender he is. It's another thing that we cant ever be sure about because of the corruption of man.


Fight was a poor choice of words.

*ahem* I was gonna stay out of this... buuuuut... I was raised Catholic so perhaps I can correct you on a few things Mr. Man...

Catholics don't pray to false idols (I assume you mean "praying" to the saints here) I can understand the confusion here, but when Catholics are "praying" to saints we're really more of just saying "Hey, my homie I hear you and big J are pretty tight. Wana pray for me, and shit?" It was indeed founded by saint Peter, and while it has undoubtedly been corrupted to some degree, I would not say it's completely corrupt (certainly no more than other sects of Christianity). And we're pretty damn sure Jesus was a dude... (You might have just meant God in general.) Just saying. Oh yeah... God doesn't have a gender (from what I hear anyways) cause he's mothafucking, God. He aint no human like us. SHIIIIT, that nugget appeared as a burning bush they say! Now... let's stop this arguing and shit.

Burning bush you say... Well... I can clearly see where that 'God is a chick' sect got it's reasoning from...
/ifyouknowwhatImean


Also Jet... I was gonna write something long and slanderous, but I shall sum it up so you can understand:

Fuck off.

I'm sorry, it's just that playing the "what if" game does not make you a religiously informed person. I hope you understand that now (: have a good day.

Ulyaoth wrote:

Scott wrote:

That would be the bullshit again...

*ACHOOOOO!*

I'm sorry, I'm allergic to faggot, too.

Must suck to be allergic to oneself... either that or your brother must be standing behind you.

I didn't say "worship". They pray to the Saints and Mary though. So that THEY can pray to God for you. Do you think that when Saint Peter founded the Catholic church that he intended for all the Catholics to pray to him?

Its like saying yeah, we're all equal. But they're MORE equal.

Kim jong il silences his people...

Branch wrote:

I didn't say "worship". They pray to the Saints and Mary though. So that THEY can pray to God for you. Do you think that when Saint Peter founded the Catholic church that he intended for all the Catholics to pray to him?

Its like saying yeah, we're all equal. But they're MORE equal.

I'm pretty sure that when Peter started up this little thing called the Christian Faith, he had a whole different thing in mind...

And Jet, I'm not playing the 'what if game'... How can you argue and discuss something (anything) without providing the opposite point?

Branch wrote:

I didn't say "worship". They pray to the Saints and Mary though. So that THEY can pray to God for you. Do you think that when Saint Peter founded the Catholic church that he intended for all the Catholics to pray to him?

Its like saying yeah, we're all equal. But they're MORE equal.

Well, even so... Nothing wrong with admiring them as holy people and role models. No one is forcing you to do anything.

Grimeth wrote:

Branch wrote:

I didn't say "worship". They pray to the Saints and Mary though. So that THEY can pray to God for you. Do you think that when Saint Peter founded the Catholic church that he intended for all the Catholics to pray to him?

Its like saying yeah, we're all equal. But they're MORE equal.

Well, even so... Nothing wrong with admiring them as holy people and role models. No one is forcing you to do anything.

Well yeah. I admire them and aspire to be them. But I wouldn't pray to them.

Branch wrote:

Grimeth wrote:

Branch wrote:

I didn't say "worship". They pray to the Saints and Mary though. So that THEY can pray to God for you. Do you think that when Saint Peter founded the Catholic church that he intended for all the Catholics to pray to him?

Its like saying yeah, we're all equal. But they're MORE equal.

Well, even so... Nothing wrong with admiring them as holy people and role models. No one is forcing you to do anything.

Well yeah. I admire them and aspire to be them. But I wouldn't pray to them.

It's not quite "praying"

The fuck is this.

Ban-Anad wrote:

Branch wrote:

I didn't say "worship". They pray to the Saints and Mary though. So that THEY can pray to God for you. Do you think that when Saint Peter founded the Catholic church that he intended for all the Catholics to pray to him?

Its like saying yeah, we're all equal. But they're MORE equal.

I'm pretty sure that when Peter started up this little thing called the Christian Faith, he had a whole different thing in mind...

And Jet, I'm not playing the 'what if game'... How can you argue and discuss something (anything) without providing the opposite point?

You're not providing the opposite point, you're acting like this is a religious episode of the Twilight Zone. Every single time you've debated anything about religion you bring up weird, non-scriptural ideas that are just...no...just no man.

Examples:

What if God really just sends all of us to hell?
What if God is a woman?

And so on.

We're ending the religious talk here... thx... ^__^

Scott wrote:

We're ending the religious talk here... thx... ^__^

I didn't know Scott was Kim Jong Il...

Jesus loves me, he loves me a bunch, 'cuz he always puts skippy in my lunch.

Grimeth wrote:

Scott wrote:

We're ending the religious talk here... thx... ^__^

I didn't know Scott was Kim Jong Il...

Yes.. now bow before I get the stick!

Ryan wrote:

Ban-Anad wrote:

Branch wrote:

I didn't say "worship". They pray to the Saints and Mary though. So that THEY can pray to God for you. Do you think that when Saint Peter founded the Catholic church that he intended for all the Catholics to pray to him?

Its like saying yeah, we're all equal. But they're MORE equal.

I'm pretty sure that when Peter started up this little thing called the Christian Faith, he had a whole different thing in mind...

And Jet, I'm not playing the 'what if game'... How can you argue and discuss something (anything) without providing the opposite point?

You're not providing the opposite point, you're acting like this is a religious episode of the Twilight Zone. Every single time you've debated anything about religion you bring up weird, non-scriptural ideas that are just...no...just no man.

Examples:

What if God really just sends all of us to hell?
What if God is a woman?

And so on.

Ok... What would be the opposite point for religion? Religion in general. Non-spirituality.
Look dude, this is the Internet. If you don't like what you're reading, don't fucking read it...

Branch wrote:

Ban-Anad wrote:

Branch wrote:

In your opinion he isn't there. And yes, he isn't a fan of suicides. Killing yourself is considered killing. But what have you gathered that says he strays away from the family? Unless the family did something to horrible to the person to provoke it maybe, but otherwise God (yea we're not "giving him a name") will support the family emotionally and, depending on the person, spiritually.

1. Objective discussion means I do not necessarily have to believe in the subject matter.

2. Why does everyone assume it's a 'He'? Has anyone actually seen 'him' to verify that? And don't give me that 'It's "son of God" so therefore he's a guy.' or anything else connected with how he's addressed in the Bible. The Bible has been re-written more times than a toilet cubicals' wall. More to the point, the current version (read- the one out there for the past 9 or so centuries) has been made to fit in a partiarcal society. So where the fuck is your proof that 'He' is indeed a 'He'?

Well... The family could have prevented the suicide by stepping in and talking to their goddamn child.
You see him cut his wrists in the bathroom, what do you do? Keep razors on the higher shelf?! Way to go, parenting...
You see him spend 90% of his free time in his room, what's your move? Yell at him for not having friends and staying at home all the time. Right, that's a good way of establishing a connection with your kid...

In this regard it can be argued, and some... churches (I would really like to call them sects but I know how you Christ-ies hate that word) actually do accuse the family and friends and place the guilt on them...

Oh, and another thing- if God really hates suicides so much, why doesn't he interfere? There's nothing like a Divine Epiphany to get you on the right track...

God is the son of God? lolwut

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Our Old Testement has exact same stuff that the Jews have. In it says how Christ will come and the Jews wont believe he's the Son of God. They didn't. It said they would prosecute him. They did.

We're not saying He's a specific gender. But we're not calling God an it. When westward expansion began in North America there was a Christian group that called God a she. That group is now defunct, but I thought thats a good fun fact considering the convo.


But if you're gonna have a religious fight, atleast have some knowledge of the religion you're combating.

The issue I have with religion, and any religion, is that people kill in the name of God and stuff. They prosecute gay people and people who are different.

The old religions had 13 moon cycles, then Christianity came and decided that 13 would be cursed number, had 12 months on the calendar instead. Women healers and wise women were accused to be witches.

When I was in high school, my teacher asked me why I spoke of ''New Age'' as though it was a good thing. I said ''meditation is good for you'' she put me in detention. My mother goes to Churche every Sunday, surrounded by people who don't respect others and who don't practice what they preach and expect others to act as. She taught us the sacraments when we were young (me, sis and bro) and then a preist said she was possessed by teh devil because she also taught about meditation and how power of thought and inspiration can be a way to hear God and stuff.

I saw so many people use religion to justify bad things, to control other people, religion in many ways controls people.

And every religion says they're the only good one. If you don't believe in that particuar one you'Re going to Hell.

Hell, I've been there in my living days. Abuse is Hell, an abusive relationship is Hell. Where was God in that time, all around me and within me. I was able to get myself outta that shit. With everyone around me helping me. Not because of religion, but because of this entity people call God, the Force, whatever it is.

You cannot dictate or control, it is wrong, but you can use it for good. I am a very spiritual person, but I am anti-religion in many ways, just for the mere fact that you cannot justify murder as an act of God. You cannot accuse a gay person of being a curse or use the bible to justify sexism.

Ok, I'm anti-catholicism. There, I've admittted it lol

You need to find what's good in each religion, decipher it, decode it, and discard all the crap around it. If a book is said to be holy and blessed has only one lie in it to control others, it is no longer holy, and where is the lie and where does it stop. It become illusive, deviant.

I have found many things in many religion that were true for me in my life, and I use that in my spirituality, in my meditations, etc. It does not mean something that is not true for me now will not be true for me later or won't be true for someone else. It is not to the letter by the book the same for everyone, and that's the problem with religion because it does not teach that and even those who follow it ''religiously'' have trouble findin truth in it for themselves.

When you understand its true flexible nature, then you can find true meaning in many things.

Y'know... I realize "no" is a hard concept... for my 1 year-old son. Perhaps I should be putting an age limit on the site... because there sure do seem to be a bunch of 1 year-olds here.

Well, what if we all had said a bunch of shit about romney and why obama is so great and then burkman said "no more politics" (and in this scenario, you're not admin, just one of us)

Could you really let it go... you say something. Then burkman calls you a child for ignoring his orders. Because he gets to give you orders. And you have to obey them. Why? Because he's admin, that's why.

It hurts so bad, scott... our names are not Toby. We are kunte kinte.

Ulyaoth wrote:

Well, what if we all had said a bunch of shit about romney and why obama is so great and then burkman said "no more politics" (and in this scenario, you're not admin, just one of us)

Could you really let it go... you say something. Then burkman calls you a child for ignoring his orders. Because he gets to give you orders. And you have to obey them. Why? Because he's admin, that's why.

It hurts so bad, scott... our names are not Toby. We are kunte kinte.

I don't care what you are... I said "no" it means NO. Don't like it? Leave kid...