Pro Life or Pro Choice?

RagnarokJC wrote:

Trying to move the goalposts, are we? If brain cells aren't a marker of life, then how is it not wrong for us to kill animals as opposed to a barely-developed fetus? By your logic, we shouldn't be eating meat, exterminating bugs, or a zillion other things involving the deaths of animals. If your argument is that an unborn child is a person *because* it has brain cells unlike, say, a dog or cat, then it still fails based on what I just told you in my previous post.

It's because they are human life that I care.

RagnarokJC wrote:

Your point had nothing to do with what you were addressing, by your own opinion, so it doesn't matter if it's true or not. Strawman arguments are no way to win a debate.

Okay, so both religion and atheism can lead to murdering people. Ergo we should make everyone Atheist?

Why would people deny a potential human being the opportunity too live, people only say they think it isn't wrong because they are already ALIVE. Why reject a life? It could be a famous artist, mathematician, professor, professional sports player. Life is too precious to be vacuumed up and thrown away. Regardless what your religion is, you shouldn't think it's right to just throw away a life because of someone else's mistakes...

Garrus wrote:

Why would people deny a potential human being the opportunity too live, people only say they think it isn't wrong because they are already ALIVE. Why reject a life? It could be a famous artist, mathematician, professor, professional sports player. Life is too precious to be vacuumed up and thrown away. Regardless what your religion is, you shouldn't think it's right to just throw away a life because of someone else's mistakes...

Alright, fine. But if they don't do something for the good of other people by age 21, we kill 'em.

I don't count, because I was born before the babies-who-would-have-been-aborted-by-their-mothers-are-forced-to-birth-them law was enacted.

So you shush.

Ulyaoth wrote:

Garrus wrote:

Why would people deny a potential human being the opportunity too live, people only say they think it isn't wrong because they are already ALIVE. Why reject a life? It could be a famous artist, mathematician, professor, professional sports player. Life is too precious to be vacuumed up and thrown away. Regardless what your religion is, you shouldn't think it's right to just throw away a life because of someone else's mistakes...

Alright, fine. But if they don't do something for the good of other people by age 21, we kill 'em.

I don't count, because I was born before the babies-who-would-have-been-aborted-by-their-mothers-are-forced-to-birth-them law was enacted.

So you shush.

Ulyaoth wrote:

Garrus wrote:

Why would people deny a potential human being the opportunity too live, people only say they think it isn't wrong because they are already ALIVE. Why reject a life? It could be a famous artist, mathematician, professor, professional sports player. Life is too precious to be vacuumed up and thrown away. Regardless what your religion is, you shouldn't think it's right to just throw away a life because of someone else's mistakes...

Alright, fine. But if they don't do something for the good of other people by age 21, we kill 'em.

I don't count, because I was born before the babies-who-would-have-been-aborted-by-their-mothers-are-forced-to-birth-them law was enacted.

So you shush.

Makes sense to me.

TheMortonator. wrote:

Ulyaoth wrote:

Garrus wrote:

Why would people deny a potential human being the opportunity too live, people only say they think it isn't wrong because they are already ALIVE. Why reject a life? It could be a famous artist, mathematician, professor, professional sports player. Life is too precious to be vacuumed up and thrown away. Regardless what your religion is, you shouldn't think it's right to just throw away a life because of someone else's mistakes...

Alright, fine. But if they don't do something for the good of other people by age 21, we kill 'em.

I don't count, because I was born before the babies-who-would-have-been-aborted-by-their-mothers-are-forced-to-birth-them law was enacted.

So you shush.

Makes sense to me.

OH SHIT, OH SHIT! Someone get me some gun's I have two years left too do something good for the world. I choose too stop some terrorist organisation for good. If not that a sling shot that sends you into space .... or the sun!

I'm just gonna say that, as a woman, I am for abortions.

Vaseline wrote:

I'm just gonna say that, as a woman, I am for abortions.

Sooo, how many you up to now?

I'm gonna go and stay neutral on this one... I don't really like playing god (I don't believe in such a being...)... I'm guessing I'm 'pro choice' but real choice... I'm not really gonna divulge into it, though... So yeah... I'm neutral on this one...

Pro Choice under the right circumstances... where I'm coming from is those relationships where a couple will just have sex when their 16-20 and not really ready for it. Then the child might have a horrible childhood and end up with a horrible life. I say its best to prevent that from happening and likely ruin that childs life. So alright, I say Pro-Choice.

LOL. No way>?!?! I was expecting me to be the only Pro Life person here.
I will note that i wouldnt make it illegal to get abortions. However, I am morally against abortions and think the girl should just let a family pay her 30000 dollars for the kid.

However, stuff like that is illegal. Which is fucking retarded. All these dumb ass retarded laws forbiding girls to recieve money for the awful thing which is pregnancy and deliving a child.

So i cant blame woman for choosing to get abortions sometimes, the should atleast accept the fact the are doing murder though.
The do have a right to murder someone who is infringing upon their rights though. Still i wish the would let them live and deliver them.

Ugh fucking government creates incentives for abortions because the dont allow woman to recieve money from a rich couple who wants a kid. or just a single parent even.

DarthNemis wrote:

LOL. No way>?!?! I was expecting me to be the only Pro Life person here.
I will note that i wouldnt make it illegal to get abortions. However, I am morally against abortions and think the girl should just let a family pay her 30000 dollars for the kid.

However, stuff like that is illegal. Which is fucking retarded. All these dumb ass retarded laws forbiding girls to recieve money for the awful thing which is pregnancy and deliving a child.

So i cant blame woman for choosing to get abortions sometimes, the should atleast accept the fact the are doing murder though.
The do have a right to murder someone who is infringing upon their rights though. Still i wish the would let them live and deliver them.

Ugh fucking government creates incentives for abortions because the dont allow woman to recieve money from a rich couple who wants a kid. or just a single parent even.

Ok...

Why the fuck are you guys bringing religion into this? I hate religion!!!!!!!! I believe in god under my own self made belief system which involves quantum physics and how it might be possible for god to be formed to begin with. No religion has any scientific explanation for god existing so i had to make my own.

Also i think organized religion is pretty worthless. However, it has proven to be very helpful for people with addiction problems and such. So its not all evil, but for the most part i hate religion.

Matieu Shepard wrote:

Pro Choice under the right circumstances... where I'm coming from is those relationships where a couple will just have sex when their 16-20 and not really ready for it. Then the child might have a horrible childhood and end up with a horrible life. I say its best to prevent that from happening and likely ruin that childs life. So alright, I say Pro-Choice.

Hey, it's their choice to go banging that early. Don't make the baby suffer because they're immature and horny. Put it up for adoption.

In some cases, those 16-20 y/o become fantastic parents. So you can't generalize that all 16-20 y/o will not be good parents.

And please, I beg you, don't let my tax dollars go to an unwed black guy and fat white girl that had sex and want to kill their fetus.

Bobabounty wrote:

Matieu Shepard wrote:

Pro Choice under the right circumstances... where I'm coming from is those relationships where a couple will just have sex when their 16-20 and not really ready for it. Then the child might have a horrible childhood and end up with a horrible life. I say its best to prevent that from happening and likely ruin that childs life. So alright, I say Pro-Choice.

Hey, it's their choice to go banging that early. Don't make the baby suffer because they're immature and horny. Put it up for adoption.

In some cases, those 16-20 y/o become fantastic parents. So you can't generalize that all 16-20 y/o will not be good parents.

And please, I beg you, don't let my tax dollars go to an unwed black guy and fat white girl that had sex and want to kill their fetus.

So if you got a girl pregnant right now you would happily raise the child and pay maintenance towards the kid?

Honestly, if I got pregnant now I wouldn't think twice about what I'd do.

Bobabounty wrote:

Hey, it's their choice to go banging that early. Don't make the baby suffer because they're immature and horny. Put it up for adoption.

In some cases, those 16-20 y/o become fantastic parents. So you can't generalize that all 16-20 y/o will not be good parents.

And please, I beg you, don't let my tax dollars go to an unwed black guy and fat white girl that had sex and want to kill their fetus.

I'm not trying to generalize, I'm just saying that it happens a majority of the time. Adoptions sometimes turn out well, other times a child will go from family to family for a decade with each one just returning them. Either way, my opinion is not to put them through that. I don't see how this debate can be won for either of us...

Matieu Shepard wrote:

Bobabounty wrote:

Hey, it's their choice to go banging that early. Don't make the baby suffer because they're immature and horny. Put it up for adoption.

In some cases, those 16-20 y/o become fantastic parents. So you can't generalize that all 16-20 y/o will not be good parents.

And please, I beg you, don't let my tax dollars go to an unwed black guy and fat white girl that had sex and want to kill their fetus.

I'm not trying to generalize, I'm just saying that it happens a majority of the time. Adoptions sometimes turn out well, other times a child will go from family to family for a decade with each one just returning them. Either way, my opinion is not to put them through that. I don't see how this debate can be won for either of us...

Neither can I.

I really have no opinion on this matter accept that I don't believe ANY man can tell a woman what to do with their body.

Spanky wrote:

I really have no opinion on this matter accept that I don't believe ANY man can tell a woman what to do with their body.

Amen to that, sister.

I find it funny, that most liberals are ok for killing innocent unborn children, but fight for the lives of serial rapist and murderers. Pro Life.

Branch wrote:

I find it funny, that most liberals are ok for killing innocent unborn children, but fight for the lives of serial rapist and murderers. Pro Life.

Yeah but it's not exactly "killing innocent unborn children".

Vaseline wrote:

Branch wrote:

I find it funny, that most liberals are ok for killing innocent unborn children, but fight for the lives of serial rapist and murderers. Pro Life.

Yeah but it's not exactly "killing innocent unborn children".

Shhh, let him live in his little world *Tucks Branch in and tells him a story about horrible liberals and epic conservatives. Turns light off* Good night little Texan...

Vaseline wrote:

Branch wrote:

I find it funny, that most liberals are ok for killing innocent unborn children, but fight for the lives of serial rapist and murderers. Pro Life.

Yeah but it's not exactly "killing innocent unborn children".

Yeah it is. Have they killed, raped or robed anyone yet? lolno. They born yet? Nope. Are they children? Technically no, they are babies.

Vaseline wrote:

Branch wrote:

I find it funny, that most liberals are ok for killing innocent unborn children, but fight for the lives of serial rapist and murderers. Pro Life.

Yeah but it's not exactly "killing innocent unborn children".

Yeah! If they were so innocent they wouldn't have been in there to begin with!

Next you're gonna tell me that sterilizing fucktards is wrong!